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Menu Talk with Pat and Bret

Menu Talk with Pat and Bret is a collaboration between Restaurant Business senior menu editor Pat Cobe and Bret Thorn, senior food & beverage editor of Nation’s Restaurant News and Restaurant Hospitality.

Trends in coffee and ranch dressing, plus Wingstop’s multicultural new sauce

Menu Talk: Pat and Bret share the latest food & beverage news, plus an interview with chef Yara Herrera of Hellbender in New York City

This new year, there has been a lot of buzz about how short-lived most people’s commitment to their resolutions are.

Pat and Bret discussed that trend, and the fact that restaurants don’t pile on the better-for-you limited-time offers in early January the way they used to. Instead, they start rolling out later in the month, possibly in anticipation of slimming-down efforts that are renewed in the spring.

But Pat has noticed a lot of new bowls with health halos, often high in protein and low in carbohydrates, and she and Bret agreed that protein is without question the healthful-eating approach of choice these days.

Protein’s even being added to coffee, or more often the foam that goes on top of it, with whey protein and similar ingredients being whisked in. 

But there’s a not-remotely-better-for-you trend afoot, too, in the continuing spread of ranch dressing.

Bret recalled Burger King testing an 8-ounce cup of it in select markets late last year, intended for people to dip their burgers in.

And this week Jimmy John’s brought back its spicy Kickin’ Ranch that it removed from the menu around a year ago, to the chagrin of many of their customers, some of whom claimed they loved the sauce so much they would eat it with a spoon. In response, Jimmy John’s introduced a 6-ounce cup of Kickin’ Ranch “soup.”

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Taco Bell also recently introduced a spicy ranch, and at an event thrown by Wingstop, which both Pat and Bret attended, they were invited to create their own ranch variations. They were provided with ranch and several ingredients they could add to it, including hot sauce, hot honey powder, and lemon pepper powder, as well as the chain’s new Pacific Glaze.

The glaze was the reason for the party. It’s a complex sauce inspired by three Asian condiments: Sweet chile, hoisin sauce, and gochujang. The result is a fairly hot but also complex sauce that both co-hosts enjoyed.

They rounded out the podcast with an interview Bret conducted with Yara Herrera, chef and partner at Hellbender in the Queens, N.Y., neighborhood of Ridgewood, who discussed the changing role of women chefs, her sourcing strategy, and some of her favorite dishes.

About the Authors

Bret Thorn

Senior Food Editor, Nation's Restaurant News

Senior Food & Beverage Editor

Bret Thorn is senior food & beverage editor for Nation’s Restaurant News and Restaurant Hospitality for Informa’s Restaurants and Food Group, with responsibility for spotting and reporting on food and beverage trends across the country for both publications as well as guiding overall F&B coverage. 

He is the host of a podcast, In the Kitchen with Bret Thorn, which features interviews with chefs, food & beverage authorities and other experts in foodservice operations.

From 2005 to 2008 he also wrote the Kitchen Dish column for The New York Sun, covering restaurant openings and chefs’ career moves in New York City.

He joined Nation’s Restaurant News in 1999 after spending about five years in Thailand, where he wrote articles about business, banking and finance as well as restaurant reviews and food columns for Manager magazine and Asia Times newspaper. He joined Restaurant Hospitality’s staff in 2016 while retaining his position at NRN. 

A magna cum laude graduate of Tufts University in Medford, Mass., with a bachelor’s degree in history, and a member of Phi Beta Kappa, Thorn also studied traditional French cooking at Le Cordon Bleu Ecole de Cuisine in Paris. He spent his junior year of college in China, studying Chinese language, history and culture for a semester each at Nanjing University and Beijing University. While in Beijing, he also worked for ABC News during the protests and ultimate crackdown in and around Tiananmen Square in 1989.

Thorn’s monthly column in Nation’s Restaurant News won the 2006 Jesse H. Neal National Business Journalism Award for best staff-written editorial or opinion column.

He served as president of the International Foodservice Editorial Council, or IFEC, in 2005.

Thorn wrote the entry on comfort food in the Oxford Encyclopedia of Food and Drink in America, 2nd edition, published in 2012. He also wrote a history of plated desserts for the Oxford Companion to Sugar and Sweets, published in 2015.

He was inducted into the Disciples d’Escoffier in 2014.

A Colorado native originally from Denver, Thorn lives in Brooklyn, N.Y.

Bret Thorn’s areas of expertise include food and beverage trends in restaurants, French cuisine, the cuisines of Asia in general and Thailand in particular, restaurant operations and service trends. 

Bret Thorn’s Experience: 

Nation’s Restaurant News, food & beverage editor, 1999-Present
New York Sun, columnist, 2005-2008 
Asia Times, sub editor, 1995-1997
Manager magazine, senior editor and restaurant critic, 1992-1997
ABC News, runner, May-July, 1989

Education:
Tufts University, BA in history, 1990
Peking University, studied Chinese language, spring, 1989
Nanjing University, studied Chinese language and culture, fall, 1988 
Le Cordon Bleu Ecole de Cuisine, Cértificat Elémentaire, 1986

Email: [email protected]

Social Media:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bret-thorn-468b663/
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Twitter: @foodwriterdiary
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